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This is why I put most, if not all, of the burden on the mom. She KNEW he was unstable, yet not only did she have them unlocked, she TRAINED him on how to use them!
Who does that?
"There is a level of cowardice lower than that of the conformist: the fashionable non-conformist." Ayn Rand
This to the tenth degree. If you want to stop killing and violence and murders then we have to makes those acts illegal. Then this crap will stop.
I agree. She should be held accountable and that's why I think proper training and education may help situations like that. Hell, if someone wants to mandate something, require gun owners to buy a gun safe if they own "X" amount of firearms or buy "X" amount of ammunition.
Keeping guns out of the wrong hands would be a good start towards curbing these mass shootings. The mentally ill do not need access to firearms and having a doctor and psychiatrist making recommendations on access for those that have mental disorders and registered weapons can't be a bad thing if done properly. And by properly, I mean being able to protect constitutional rights.
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Your assumption here is that the lady in question was stable.
From what I can see - and particularly with regard to her lack of concern over her abundant gun supply laying out for use - her stability is as questionable as her kid's. She just had not been diagnosed with the problem. It certainly doesn't mean she wasn't batshit crazy herself - as many others are.........beyond doubt.
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This. If you choose to own guns, it's your responsibility to make sure they're secure. From what I read, she was openly trying to have the state hospitalize him for his mental issues, yet she still kept those weapons unlocked and within arms reach of him. She's every bit as responsible for this tragedy.
Oh stop it. No one is saying that.
"The sickening spectacle of America murdering it's youth evidently sits in second place to gun ownership priorities."
Stop making excuses just to be contrarian. What evidence do you have to indicate she was unstable?
Was she irresponsible? Make an irresponsible decision? Hell yeah.
But if irresponsible decisions qualify as mentally unstable, we all are.
we all read lots of things. For all I know, the young man knew the combination to the gun safe or lockbox. If the mother was as concerned as we like to think now, and had said things such as 'don't turn your back on him for a moment' to care givers, I have doubts whether she left clear access to weapons. But I wasn't there.
The responsibility lies with Adam Lanza. Mental competency often is contingent on knowing right from wrong. If Adam didn't know that, he wouldn't have hidden some guns in the trunk of the car. He would have walked in boldly, not broken in as has been said. He would not have pulled the trigger on himself.
Either that or this person was playing a first person shooter in his mind and it became reality. He killed all the enemies he could find, stormed a stronghold and killed all the enemies he could find, and when too many enemies came at him, he killed the player to reset.
It's easy to look back and lay fault....especially with mental disorder. Insidious stuff. Much easier to lay blame on ..... anyone.
Adam Lanza was the one solely responsible.
I can't agree with some of this. You are making as many assumptions as anyone else Bill. Maybe he did know the combo to the gun safe. Should he have? If he is mentally unstable and the guns were his mother's was it HIS responsibility to NOT know the combination? All of us spend time projecting our sane and rational minds on to the situation, but we don't take into account that we are not really going to be able to understand it, because we have not been in that state of mind. But if you know someone who has lost it at some point, then you should realize full well that anything is possible. That person no longer has a grasp on reality as you and I know it. And let's be clear.....it is their reality (just as you alluded to in the "gamer" example).
You also are making assumptions on what he WOULD have done if he were mentally ill in saying he WOULD have walked in boldly. There is no set actions to be taken that would say one way or another what his mental state is/was, other than mentally stable people do not shoot up school rooms. What he did or didn't do with the guns or how he entered the building really doesn't come into play does it? How can we judge sanity or insanity based on that? You rebounded nicely with the "game" aspect, but it doesn't cover what I believe is a mistake in assuming we know what a normal person WOULD or SHOULD do when going to shoot up a school.
And if Lanza was insane (which by most accounts, he was), is he responsible mentally? Physically....yes, that person did that. If a person has a brain tumor or injury that impairs their mental ability and they kill someone (it has happened), are they responsible?
true enough...I went way too far in giving rational reasons for irrational action. Not a good mix.
From what I have read and been told, true defense by mental disorder is based on the subject NOT being able to distinguish between right and wrong, as judged by average society.
Attempting to read another person's mind or rationalize irrational act is useless. Everyone that knew the family...including the brother, the father, and the neighbors....somewhere they ALL have that 'why in the hell didn't I SEE that' thought in their minds.
Maybe we all do. Monsters are supposed to look like Freddy Krueger. Not the kid down the street.
At any rate..I agree I put forth theory that has swiss cheese mode in it, but I have to stand at the end of the day that Adam Lanza was the person accountable for this tragedy.
Then we have to go deeper in the "right or wrong" thing. If a mother kills her kids because she thinks god told her to...is she acting from a right or wrong standpoint? She may believe that she shouldn't kill her children, but the mental illness aspect is that she believes god is a higher power and knows what is best, therefore she kills the kids. It's not so simple as cutting it down to right or wrong.
A person could believe that some kids are space aliens that are going to take over the planet. Even if nobody else agrees, and a person knows it's not right to kill children, the belief that they are space aliens becomes reality and so the kids get killed.
Mental competency can't be taken down to such a simple level as knowing "right from wrong" if we truly want to understand what it means to be insane.
And yes, Lanza is the PERSON accountable, but that doesn't mean his reality understood what he was doing in the way we know it happened.
There's a limit to how much you can feel sorry for. The ACLU has some gigs already.
You've crossed the line with the porn. I so happen to like boats and ho's. Who doesn't?
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