Cardinal Sanctuary

I was thinking the same thing. Someone gave him some medication prior to going out there.
Hell at one point I thought he was going to pass out.

Just saw a video. I think he is clearly trying to set himself up for an insanity defense.

Unfortunately, with the planning, the intricate setup in his apartment...he is cleary not legally insane. He knew what he was doing. You don't plan something so well for 2+ months and then claim "I didn't know what I was doing".

He should fry...tomorrow...with no trial.

If you can find a picture of him (FOX News), his pupils look like hockey pucks. He is definitely doped up.

Freddy

He looked sedated all right 1 of 3 things will happen. 1. He will be on Colorado's death row. 2 spend the rest of his life in a high security mental hospital. 3. Be sent to ADX Florance.

Normally I'm very hesitant to jump on the death penalty wagon but this dickless wonder has it coming. Ambushing unsuspecting and unarmed victims in a relaxed state, some women and children, using 3 guns and a bullet proof vest ... what a coward.

My understanding is that CO hasn't used the death penalty in quite sometime. Here I think a firing squad is justified. No blanks.

And I know that this will never happen, but I'd love for it to go down in a movie theater as a video plays of everyone he harmed, with videos/images of the victims and messages narrated by the survivors.

I believe he'll die by gunshot accuracy. Bear in mind he seems to going to trial in the town where he committed his crime. I also think that is appropriate and I doubt very seriously if his defense will be highly spirited. That remains to be seen, of course, but it seems like a reasonably close knit community.

He looks plainass weird. Good Lord, who was his hairdresser? Cardinal Junky? mccard getting even with nature?

I see what you're saying. However, are they mentally ill when the buy the things this guy did? I would say if he was able and allowed to purchase 6000 rounds of ammo, ballistic armor and friggin tear gas, then he shouldnt be allowed to plead insanity.

I would say that the only reason I am not for the death penalty is not because I think it's inhumane...if someone does what he did, and is proven competent to stand trial, then he deserves it....

However, I think the death penalty is the easy way out for some people. Let's face it guys, he killed kids. Never been to prison, but even some of the most hardened criminals don't tolerate baby killers. He will get prison justice. Every single day he is there. Maybe that is better justice than the death penalty for someone like him. I am all for innocent until proven guilty, and there are numerous people each day accused of crimes they didn't commit. But I think we can all agree that he committed the act. If (and when IMO) he is proven competent, then he deserves the harshest days he can get for the rest of his life.

Then, with all due respect Auburn, you don't understand mental illness. I think I explained fairly well that the appearance of normality isn't an indication of the reality that is subjective to the mind of the person who is mentally ill.

His planning it out in such detail strikes me as mental illness, though, just like everyone else, I don't know for a fact. If he did it as an act of terrorism, I'd be more inclined to believe he was not nuts. At least not on the level of delusion. There is no way for us to know right now and all of our words are simply speculation, so that's why I hate to see all this shit about how he needs to fry or hang.

Again, a person doesn't have to think he's Napoleon to be mentally ill. Most mentally ill people function quite well in society. If you go out in public, you see some of them every day.

Freddy

Yep, they are all around us every day. And those are only those that have been diagnosed that we could qualify as mentally ill. There are plenty of people walking around that are plenty messed up in the head/emotions. Heck, let's face it, we're all mentally ill, the degrees just vary. Maybe this guy thought he was the Joker and carried out some elaborate plan. He was smart. He was devious. He was evil. But that doesn't mean he still didn't think he was the Joker, and that would make him mentally ill by most standards.

I kind of agree, in that it takes a large degree of being mentally "broken" in some way in order to carry out a murder. Some people might snap in a moment of emotion, others may plan something out methodically. To me, it all comes down to degrees. In my opinion there's a difference between the guy that is part of a violent gang and that has chosen to carry out a violent act to maybe join the gang or whatever, and the guy that breaks from reality and thinks that he's a super villian (if indeed that was the case here, not saying it is). Some people that are bipolar can do wild things when in a manic phase (particularly if not on meds) that they would not ordinarily do in a more balanced state. We work with a young man with schizophrenia in our business, and he has access to a wonderful support group that checks up on him. He also doesn't appear to be a paranoid schizophrenic. On the other hand, I know of a family that had to break apart because the husband just one day, out of nowhere, was watching a movie and thought it was real and happening right there. He was diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia, and has ended up living on the streets at times because his family simply can't take him in. He's too altered from reality and won't take his meds. Who knows, he could think that someone is after him someday and do something horrible. I'm not condoning that or saying it is okay, I just think it is different and has to be dealt with differently than the person that is gang banging over drug territory or kills a family to rob them.

In the end, it's all messed up, and sadly not everyone has the same capabilities or the same access to help. It is a huge problem though. In the end, we all like to think that we have control over ourselves and that society can control what happens. Unfortunately, try as we may to see how x or y could have been prevented, we will never be able to control everything. There will be people that live in altered states of reality, and people that choose to live in horrible states of reality in violent drug culture, and we can only do so much to prevent it. Maybe this guy was just a mean, hateful person that thought it was fun to kill. Maybe he has a serious disorder and went off his meds. Maybe he just lately started breaking from reality. I guess we'll find out more as time goes by, but none of that brings back those deceased or brings peace to their families, unfortunately. I understand why they, and most people, want to string this guy up. He'll be dealt with severely, I'm sure, even if the death penalty isn't invoked, as he deserves for what he did, for whatever reason he did it.

Saw a quote from an inmate at Arapahoe county jail on the local news this morning that said "if they release that dude from solitary confinement he is going to die."

I am so glad we have prisons. Some of these people that walk among us are scary as fuck.