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This is based on "progression toward a degree" - not actual graduation rates. If a school shows the player is progressing toward a degree, than no hit will come. This school puts the players in bunny classes or computer classes (and who knows with the computer classes who is actually doing the work) so they are passing the classes and thus progressing toward a degree. It's basically a farce but what else is new at UK? It's Standard Operating Procedure for sure.
Hard to say what kind of a hit it will be since we don't know how all the freshmen will do in school.
The main hit this deals to UK is it removes one of their best, if not their best overall, zone busters. I don't think he was going to get more than about 10 MPG. I've heard the Young kid can light it up from outside, but I don't think anyone else will be anything but "okay" at best. This team is going to play a lot like the Wall/Cousins team.
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Yeah the twins 32% and 29% from 3 in high school. I'm guessing you think Cal will coach them up? If you shoot that poorly playing HS talent wait until our guards play them.
Glad someone read my post. just because Uk fans say they can shoot doesnt mean they can. As I also pointed out the college line is a foot further, does anyone think players get more accurate as they get further away? Bad shooters then, worse shooters now. I can't find any stats for young and randle, but I read an article about young being a 33 percent 3 pt shooter in hs. Even if randle is a good 3 pt shooter I'll be happy to let him parade out there shooting threes while we pound the glass. The loss hurts them, they just won't admit it.
They can shoot it, doesn't mean they can make it at a high clip. Young looks to be a good shooter, but I believe the Harrisons barely shot 30% from 3 in high school. Leaving them to shoot 3s makes those guys very ordinary. Randle is a big man with shooting touch, but YES PLEASE let him shoot from the outside instead of dunking in the paint.
Every scouting report on Randle says the same thing: "needs to expand range on jumper." And someone just posted that the twins shot 29/32% on threes. How is that being able to shoot?
....and funniest thing is NO ONE has even brought up College level defenses!!! Not only will the line get pushed back a foot, but the level in defense they will see is LIGHT YEARS better than ANYTHING they have seen so far.
That 3pt% will surly fall well below 30% and then they will start the "ball hogging" and "arguing"!!!
Then bring your popcorn because lessington will burn with a less than 40-0 season!!
ESPN calls Aaron Harrison a "prolific" 3 point shooter. He hit 33% his senior year (hitting 78 out of 240 attempts).
Andrew...not so much.
I think they'll probably move Poythress back to the 3 more often this year, and he looked good from outside in limited attempts last year...though I doubt he'll repeat the same percentage with a ton more attempts.
The bottom line is that Wiltjer was a situational player for them. It will hurt when they don't have him for those situations if someone else cannot step up and fill the void. But he was not going to be a focal point for them offensively or defensively, so let's not overstate his value. Julius Mays was a better three point shooter and FAR better leader...let's talk about how losing his leadership and shooting are going to hurt them more.
Twins aren't very good shooters. They are average at best.....
Wiltjer would've had some games where he got hot and potentially pushed UK over the edge to victory. There will be many games where they don't miss him, but certainly there will be a few where they do miss him, specifically when they have one of those Elite 8 West Virginia games from the outside.
I've never seen the twins play but their 3 pt numbers of 29% and 32% doesn't really show them to be good three point shooters. Those numbers are from high school where the 3 pt line is a foot closer as well
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This doesn't hurt them. Remember the NCAA changed the rules to help coaches like Cal enjoy the fruits of one and dones who never wanted to go to college in the first place. Not graduating has no effect, as long as the player is in "good" academic standing when he leaves (which we all know how hard it is to get a passing grade in the kind of courses you would expect kids like Eric Bledsoe to be taking for one year).
Would love too see the classes theyre taking.
Looking at his game-by-game stats, Aaron Harrison can shoot...usually.
He had 5 bad games out of 33 (combined 3 for 39 in those). The other nights, he was pretty good.
Maybe "streaky" is a better descriptor for him.
Their title chances won't even be affected.
It was posted above that the twins shoot in the low 30's at the high school level. UK is hurting from the outside, thats easy to see. They are not a threat anyway. Sure they will have a decent year and put up gaudy numbers playing in that mickey mouse basketball league knwon as the SEC but once the tourney starts they will fold like a cheap tent in a hurricane. They have NO upper class leadership and are going to be limited on outside shooting. Ill bet a dollar they dont make it past the sweet 16 next year. Mark this post right now and save it. Thank me later. :) It wont be the wet dream turned nightmare this past season was but it wont be anywhere near the pipe dream they are envisioning.
Hard to believe nobody's jumped on that dollar yet.
OK guys...The Harrison twins suck my bad.....can someone tell me why they are McDonald's All-American's?...they're scoring somehow right? must be all layups right?
Like I mentioned before, they are scorers and not shooters. There is a difference. Russ is a scorer. Rotnei Clarke is a shooter. Wiltjer is a shooter.
Some guys can get to the basket and generate offense without being a deep threat. Some might be decent shooters but not really known as "shooters". Doesn't mean that you don't want to leave them open, it's just with shooters if they are open it's probably going in.
With the supposed scorers coming in this year, Wiltjer could have been that guy in 2014 like he was in 2012.
I'm not for sure how you can look at 3 pt stats in high school and it translate in college. Some of these guys are being double teamed/ box in one etc. fwiw..Russ can shoot the ball. It's my opinion the Harrison CAN shoot the ball. Go watch a few of the youtube videos...they can shoot mid range..they can shoot the 3 and they can score. For the record, I HATE UK and I hope their ship sinks but I'm not naive enough to think these guys can't shoot based on their ppg and the competition they played. Are they overhyped? Maybe from the defense standpoint..but these guys can shoot. Young, Harrison twins and even Randle is a shooting threat.
There is a give and take. Yes, they receive more defensive attention in high school because their teammates aren't the likes of Randle, Poytress, etc. However, they aren't being schemed against by the likes of Rick Pitino and they aren't being defended by the likes of Russ Smith. I think a double team by 2 guys who don't play past the high school level is easier to shoot against than just 1 high-level college defender. Besides, these guys were zoned and will continue to be zoned anyway.
Being a McD AA is more of a popularity gig now-a-days than a display of actual talent.
Q. Snider will not be a McD AA this coming year, but I find it very very difficult seeing 6 better PG's in HS/Prep. He is listed as the #7 PG.
A simple question: is your butt jealous of the amount crap coming from your mouth?
"Being a McD AA is more of a popularity gig now-a-days than a display of actual talent"
Yeh....Jabari Parker,Julius Randle,Andrew Wiggins, Kasey Hill, Wayne Selden, Noah Vonleh, Aaron Gordon, Jarell Martin and Isiah Hicks have no actual talent....
FWIW The McDonalds All American kids have not exactly been guaranteed college stars over the years. They end up first rounders about 36% of the time and end up playing at least a game in the NBA about 50% of the time. So half of the kids people are talking about we wont hear from again after they pick a school. Much like our new recruit Lyles the Harrisons are not considered to be good shooters. They were picked up because of their ability to attack, pass and play together. I think the PG may be a one and done kid (maybe) but the 2g is gonna be around for awhile. Either way making the McDonalds AA team is akin to winning KY Mr. Football, its not always the best kids and politics are involved.
Wiltjer is a good offensive player and a woeful defensive player. I was actually impressed with Wiltjer's offense, not just as a spot-up shooter. The guy actually had some post moves and was a good passer in the half court. The problem with him was that he was a bad defender and lacked the strength and speed to be a strong defender at the college level.
UK will miss his shooting, but they won't miss the points he gave up on the defensive end. Really hard to figure whether replacing him in the lineup with a great athlete who can play some defense but gives up a few percentage points from beyond the arc is a net loss or gain.
I watched several of UK's games last year, including some post-Noel, and some games Wiltjer did seem to be the one showing leadership. He looked goofy as hell and I'm not sure how much his teammates respected him, but in some games his offense would be the primary glue that kept their team going. I think there is some intangible value to a player like that, and UK will miss that. But whether that translates into a difference in the win-loss column is tough to tell.
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