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Not a knock on Chane, because he was obviously one of the biggest reasons we got to the Final Four last year and he played outstanding basketball in the tournament, but looking at the minutes each is getting, and the production each provides, it is a stretch to say that Trez is not only a better player, but has a higher ceiling?
Last night Chane played 30 minutes, and Trez played 11.
Chane shot 62.5%, Trez shot 60%
Trez shot 100% FT, Chane shot 66.6% FT
Each had 5 rebounds
Trez had a block, Chane had 0
Chane had 2 stl, 2 ast, Trez had 0
Chane had 3 fouls, Trez 1
Chane 12 pts, Trez 8pts
Another thing I've noticed is when Trez gets the entry pass on the baseline, he not only catches the ball, but he goes STRAIGHT UP and gets a bucket. Chane either bobbles the pass, or catches it and dribbles it causing the defender to react and get a hand on the ball, knocking it loose. This was very evident in the Gtown game.
Again, not knocking Chane at all--both of these guys are going to be integral parts of the puzzle if we are expected to make a splash this March, but just looking at the efficiency of both guys, it seems Trez has a bigger impact when he's on the floor than does Chane. That could change once scouting reports start taking notice of Harrell, but what are your thoughts?
This post was edited by bezzle 15 months ago
Trez is more athletically gifted. his hands and wingspan are bigger than chanes and he is taller. chanes post moves are better. Trezz finishes better. I tell you what if they both stay next year and develop a jump shot we will be in for a real treat. Chane is a tweener. He must be a shooter to make it in the NBA!
Right now.... not close.
The reason it seems that way though is because Chane is going through what I calll the T-Will syndrome imo. Lets not scoring affect to many other aspsects of his game.... including attitude. Oossibly getting same vibe from Kevin.
Time to man up or shut up because CRP will start messing with that lineup. Saw what happened to Russ after the Nova game.
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Montrezl has more potential at PF imo. Chane just has his head up his own ass right now. Good comparison to TWill and their futures will be similar if Behanan doesn't get his shit straight. People will not tolerate his BS while the guy misses FTs and lay ups.
Trez will be a better player no doubt. The kid has the motor and drive Chane doesn't. Better finisher around the rim as well.
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I never doubt Trez's effort and with Chane there is times that he looks like he doesn't want to be out there. Also it seems like a few times a game, I will be yelling at the TV for Chane not to do something like shooting past 10 ft out. I can't remember ever doing it for Trez.
Don't get me wrong, Chane is good when he plays his game, but as soon as he steps out of his comfort zone, his play starts to go down.
I think they are pretty close in ability right now.
Montrezl actually has the highest Offensive Rating of any player on our team coming in with a 121.2, which is good for 87th in the nation (Blackshear is 276th and Gorgui is 292nd). Thiss is thanks mostly to his 61.3 eFG%. Obviously, he shoots such a high percentage because roughly 97% of his shot attempts are dunks...
Chane takes a lot more jump shots (I used to know a site that actually showed shooting %s for jumpshots...but I lost the link), or at least he seems to. His eFG% is just 49.4%, so it's well below Montrezl's number.
Rebounding wise, Chane is definitely the better player right now. He has a 13.8 OR% and an 18.1 DR%, both ahead of Montrezl's 10.8 and 15.4 respectively.
Right now, I think Montrezl may actually be better as a slightly undersized center than he is as a PF. I really like the lineup with Chane and Montrezl together. But, Gorgui is so indispensable that it is tough to sit him down unless we absolutely have to. He is a MUCH better defensive rebounder than Chane or Montrezl and without Blackshear on the court we really need Dieng's defensive rebounding presence.
I don't think Montrezl is quite as good as Chane right now. But, he is not as far behind as some people are suggesting.
I do think trez is better.
Both are really only scoring within ten feet and there is no question trez is a far better finisher.
Neither is jump shooter.
If Harrell can become a consistent rebounder the sky is the limit. I can pretty much guarantee you he would be pushing Chane for playing time if he could rebound better
I think Trez has the most potential. Trez is lost allot on defense, or I believe he might be a starter right now.
Yes he is.
Harrell will be the better pro - JMO.
This post was edited by BMXCARD 15 months ago
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No. Trez has a higher FG percentage because the great majority of his shots are dunks or off of post moves from the block. Montrezl does not have the ability to create his own shot while catching the ball further from the basket, and he does not have the same range Chane does. Plus Chane is a better rebounder.
Montrezl has the potential to be very good, and he has the motor for sure. People should not underestimate what Chane does for our team in terms of drawing the opponent's attention on defense and rebounding in traffic.
Chane is not a perimeter shooter, but he can shoot a jumper. Please don't forget the key 3 Chane busted in the elite 8 against Florida. Regardless, this isn't Chane v. Montrezl. They have different games. Chane needs to have the ability to put the ball on the floor, spin into the lane, and shoot an elbow jumper, because he doesn't quite have the prototypical PF height. Trez has prototypical PF height with a center's wingspan. He does not need to venture away from the hoop to try to match Chane's productivity.
I really hope both of these guys are here next year. If so, we will be seriously dominant.
i think Trez has more will to play, which gives him the advantage. Chane honestly does things out there that he shouldn't...ex that one dribble move then going up. IMO, Chane loses interest from time to time which is not something a championship seeking team needs. I'm totally in favor of Chane coming off the bench for a few games to get his head straight because his last few performances have not been up to the level we all saw at the UK game. Everybody's head needs to be in the game for us to cut down the nets. TEAM effort, and one bad link could ruin it all.
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Trez loads up the stats, and I am curious why he isn't playing more minutes.
Maybe he can't defend the 3 ball from the wing in a zone well, not sure. He is a little slow footed.
He is weak in defensive rebounding too, which can hurt.
I have been tracking player stats for the last 18 games and run them through some calcs to get a "net positive production per minute played", and the answer in all scenarios (Big Games, OOC, Conference play) is Chane always finishes slightly ahead of him in total net production.
Conference play rankings: Gorgui #1, Chane #2, Harrell #3, Smith #4
So - to me, the answer is this.
In the Final 6 minutes of game....
1. If you have the lead, play them both: GD, CB, MH.
2. If you are down and need the 3 ball: play GD, CB, and WB/LH
Why would you want three of our worst FT shooters on the floor when leading at the end?
Probably not, but I really think they can shoot it. Just need to work that out in the ole noggin'.
Chane's FG % would be higher if he wouldn't miss so many lay ups and dunks. Focus is our biggest enemy this year it would seem.
For Chane to be a legitimate NBA player, he needs to turn into Jae Crowder. He doesn't have to look like the predator, but he needs that inside outside game while still maintain a nose for the boards.
My take, right now Trez looks like he has a higher ceiling than Chane, but at the current moment I'd say Chane is the better player.
I'm sorry, but when his head is in the game, which it currently isn't, Chane is unstoppable. He needs to refocus his mentality on the boards like Malice said. If he is hustling for rebounds, both offensive and defensive, he will get his points no matter what.
A simple question: is your butt jealous of the amount crap coming from your mouth?
To say "right now.......not close" is amusing to me. Harrell has continued to improve on the year while Behanan appears to be stuck in a non-improving maybe even regressing mode. Based on the numbers and minutes played I would argue that Harrell is quickly closing the gap so I don't agree with the not close.
I do agree with the fact that he needs to man up. Pitino has openly stated that Chane is far to easily distracted by what others are doing or how many they are scoring when he needs to just worry about doing his job. Thats why I said in an earlier post that maybe a stint of coming off the bench would narrow his focus and Harrell has certainly earned the right to a few starts.
I think he is. But Chane isn't the type of guy you want to pull from the starting line up. Not that starting matters but I don't think he would take it well like Russ does. We need both and I believe starting Chane is better for the team as a whole. Just think Harrell is the better player.
This post was edited by MATT3030 14 months ago
I'm beginning to agree with that. Remember when Whitehead used to have the mindset that every missed shot was supposed to be a ball he got his hands on? If Chane had that attitude, he'd average 10 boards a game easily.
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