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Not sure they've faced a press at all this year yet. Seems like a pretty big potential weakness.
I think Baylor and Maryland may have pressed some.
Even if they have, it ain't UL's press. There is a difference.
That's pretty much how I was going to respond. And even if a team has pressed them, I know they haven't faced anyone that pressed for 40 minutes.
This post was edited by cardsguy 19 months ago
I'm a level headed UK fan so I hope you guys don't jump me. Marshall probably pressed UK more than anyone has so far. UK handled it ok but it's not even comparable to what they will face against UL. I think Harrow could possibly do ok but it's the other players that concern me. Goodwin is the most out of control player I have ever seen and while Mays is steady, he's too slow and unathletic to be really effective against the UL press. Add to that that UK's bigs aren't great handlers and you have a big problem. I see this game going one of two ways. Kentucky plays well and makes it a game or Kentucky gets rattled and UL rolls. Either way, I can't see a UK win unfortunately. Enjoy this one, we'll be back! : )
Jump him, guys.
Thanks for the comments, Eric. I'm no UK hater (but have to say, I'm a Cal hater). I don't find it a prereq to being a UL fan.
That said, there is only one way this plays out. It's a double digit Card win, primarily because of pressure and guard play. Cat fans need to hope for a big ramp up in refining their game. They need some players to start looking like upper classmen. Without upping their game, they are destined to be the third best SEC team which is not such a hot ranking.
Last year's successes spawned from 2 things. One is that there were some upper classmen to provide leadership but, more importantly, Anthony Davis doesn't come by every year. That was your year. There is a heck of a drop off from there.
This post was edited by jttdmd 19 months ago
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UK fans have a difficult time admitting it, but there is a HUGE drop off between Anthony Davis and Nerlins Noel. Davis was the most dominant big man college basketball has seen since Patrick Ewing and in some ways he was better than Ewing. Davis could pass, run the floor, rebound, block shots, make free throws and had that 10-15 foot jumper that Ewing didn't have. Noel is a good rebounder and shot blocker but his game is very limited on the offensive end. Noel will get 10-plus rebounds against us but I seriously doubt he score in double figures.
numbers wise Davis and Noel are very similar with a difference of about 4 points and a block in Davis favor. Noel however does not have the benefit of Davis supporting cast, especially senior Miller and sophomore Lamb and Jones.
Right now UK averages the same amount of points as last years team (78 ppg) but defensively they aren't nearly as dominant.
Funky....you can't just rely on numbers. Very myopic view. Noel doesn't have the offensive game close to what Davis had. You won't see Noel get many triple or double teams on offense.
Aren't you comparing Davis' numbers over an entire season, including 10 post-season games with the numbers Noel put up against a bunch of cupcakes? Seems like apples and oranges to me.
Funky, I will agree from the standpoint that Davis was facilitated by Lamb and Miller plus could rely on Jones for some of the heavy lifting.
I don't agree that Noels is on the same level of Anthony Davis. Davis is a once in a decade type of player. I go along with the opinion that he has greater skills than Ewing. I saw plenty of Ewing during his playing days. He was a dominant shot blocker. However, there is very little comparison in their ball handling abilities. Davis has the ball handling skills approoacjhing that of a Div 1 PG/SG. This is because he had the late growth spurt which had him adjusting to a new position between his JR/SR year. His development at that stage made a difference.
As has been previously stated, Anthony Davis isn't walking through that door.
Noel is terrible on offense. I never really thought Davis was that great on that end but he is certainly better than Noel. I hope UK throws the ball in to Noel in the low post everytime Saturday. It's like he just turns around and throws it up there hoping it goes in.
It's the classic top-rated big man freshman syndrome. They towered over everyone else in high school so they never learned a real post-up game. Those guys start college with a ton of bad habits that require a lot of good coaching to correct.
Arizona's 5-star center Kaleb is another perfect example. You could see it over and over again in Arizona's recent high profile games. The guy just tosses up a prayer whenever he is in the low post, it's hilarious.
This post was edited by Cardonculous 19 months ago
I'm probably in the minority, but I don't see UofL applying a ton of full court pressure for two reasons. First, this game will most likely be officiated very tightly, so a lot of full court pressure could result in excessive fouls called on the Cards. Second, our half court defense is arguably the best in the country, while UK's half court offense is just plain bad right now. On the other hand, UK can looks pretty decent in transition and when they break pressure, because their athleticism can just take over. For these reasons, I think we''ll just see a consistent amount of token man pressure to try to wear down UK's guards. But our main weapon will be the Cards' relentless half court defense.
This post was edited by TheBlackJersey 19 months ago
Noel gets quite a few steals for a big man. In fact, I think he's on pace--as a 6' 11" PF mind you--to break Rondo's single season record, so he gets a good deal of points from those.
On the offensive end,however, he is more equal to a freshman Terrance Jennings than Anthony Davis. The dude is simply incapable of creating his own offense
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Noel does get a lot of steals off of backtaps but that will bite him sooner or later and I'm betting on sooner. Bigs have to body up and reaching in gets called more often because of the body contact while reaching. Noel will get into foul trouble over that one if he keeps trying that instead of just blocking out or blocking shots. Ref do not respect bigs for the backtab or reaching as much as they do for gaurds.
Noel isn't in the same class as Davis but again their numbers aren't far off. I was just going by numbers. Defensively he's skilled but jumps too much at every opportunity getting him into foul trouble whereas Davis wingspan altered many shots that didn't get blocked.
If you remember AD first 10 or so games he was very average on offense, 7 points against UNC, 6 points against IU, ...many 7-12 point games. Even a 1-4 showing against us (though made up for at the free throw line)
But again with Miller, Jones, Lamb, Gilchrist carrying some of the load he didn't have to have 20/10 games. He could have 8/10 games and they'd still win by 15-20. Not so with this team.
A lot of wisdom here. Good post.
Another thing to remember is that Davis played the best competition while Noel has only had one quality big he's battled so far n he came on the losing end against the Maryland big guy. Noel is athletic but can't handle the ball, or score like Davis.
I believe this is something that just doesn't happen alot. UK can have their one and done, give me a team filled with players that are in college a few years all the time. Davis played more like a upper classman then a 19 year old freshman. You get to big games, and most of the time, at some part of the game, they will play like freshman, where Louisville guys have been there and done that, and if they haven't, they can lean on guys that have. Against Memphis, the Cards had no panic at all, where if UK is in that game, I think guys would get out of their game , trying to get the 16 points in 1 position.
Funky, Here is the difference in two points:
1. Last season Anthony Davis COULD score, but UK really didn't need him to (Lamb and Miller were great outside shooters; Teague could get to the basket, and MKG could get his shot whenever he wanted).
2. This season Nerlins Noel CAN'T score, and UK needs him to.
Our press isn't all about turning you over, its about taking time off the shot clock forcing teams into bad shots in the half court with time running down.
We don't just have one press. We have several. You are spot on with some press sets UL runs. Press does not automatically mean the opponent gets a fast break. Whereas last years' UK team had guys at all 5 positions who could put the ball on the floor and break a press, this years' team does not. It is a huge advantage for UL in being able to run a press, wear the backcourt out, create an increased chance of getting a TO, but still force the O into a halfcourt set with 25 seconds on the clock.
But UL's press is mixed and some sets are definitely meant to turn you over. Plus, with a phenomenal open-court pickpocket like Russ Smith, the press will generate some TOs even if it is simply designed to make the other team work to get it across half court.
have to totally disagree.
1) you are at home
2) awesome half court defense does not negate fullcourt press especially in Pitinos system as that is what makes it even more effective as it limits the time to run half court..
3) their guards and team for that matter suck on average as a good ball handling in control team.
4) your view is skewed by pathetic teams that don't have the size to cover the court like UL does.
5) token pressure is a measure Pitino uses and he will vary it do in part you will get that.
6) again we are at home
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by CARDADDICT 19 months ago
I think both of you guys make really good points.
I gotta say though. I don't really think our team has a "token pressure" mode. Not this team. Not this year, and certainly not this game.
We are going to hound their ballhandlers every inch of the floor. As we should. Harrow is their primary ball handler and most of us have heard questions about how Harrow might be mentally soft. We are gonna test that theory in a couple of days.
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